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Lighthouse Foundation Director Muradyan: “Who are you? Do you know who I am?”

Marine Madatyan


16:13, August 10, 2012

“We have 10 rooms that safely house and feed neglected mothers with their newborns and pregnant women”. These are the words that appear on the website of the “Lighthouse” Armenian Charitable Foundation. 

Kristineh Gevorgyan is a former beneficiary that stayed at one of these ten rooms. She says the foundation stopped being charitable for her when her daughter Anzheli was born with a cleft palate. Kristineh learnt about the baby’s cleft a few months before the birth but didn’t agree to have an abortion. Instead, the provided the woman by Foundation Director Naira Muradyan’s started to worsen. 

Kristineh was pregnant when she came to “Lighthouse”. Her husband, Hakob Klechyan, is in jail. “My mother told me to go and give birth at my husband’s house but his parents were against me living with them. To be able to survive, I started to work at the Rugmug factory, which makes preserves. The work was extremely difficult.  I got sick, allergies started, and my nose was constantly bleeding. I was returning home from work where my mother was fighting with me. Often I would stay at my aunt’s house for days. Again, my mom sent me to my husband’s house. I went there and they told me “leave the way you came.” 

To find shelter, the pregnant woman went to Mother Cathedral of Etchmiadzin, where a clergyman gave her the Lighthouse address. Kristineh is one of the first residents of the center. 

“First we were accepted well. There were two of us, no one else. But the woman who was there before me, Nelly, was always complaining that the conditions are not good here.  She is staying because there is no other place for her to go. In the beginning I could not understand why she was saying that. It was only the two of us, but later many other women came. We were handled like beggars,” says Kristineh. She says that the director’s behavior changed towards her once it was known that the child would be born with a disability. 

“When journalists or guests visited, we told them it is good, but we were lying. The staff would eat and call us to wash the dishes. The cleaning lady was supposed to clean the floors on the first floor, but we were cleaning it, mainly I. 

After the ultrasound exam when I learned about the baby’s cleft, they treated me bad. I was crying in the room, they told me to go and do work. A lot of things are happening there, you have to live there to see with your own eyes. It looks nice from outside, but it’s all fake.” 

Anzheli was born on December 23. Kristineh says that on the day she gave birth she called Naira and asked to bring ten diapers and four underclothes. “It was included in their conditions. I called her but she was speaking to me in a different way. The next evening, the shelter’s driver’s wife brought me food. I asked her if she spoke with Naira, because I asked for some things from her. She told me she saw Naira but she didn’t tell her anything.”  

After that, according to Kristineh, she spoke with Naira over the phone who told her, “We will not bring your sick baby to our center.” The center’s driver and another beneficiary of the center received the birth certificate for Kristineh while visiting her at the hospital. After a few days she moved from the hospital to her parent’s house: they offered. Naira, without knowing about that told Kristineh “feeling sorry for you since you just gave birth, we will keep you for a few days.” Kristineh declined the “charity” since she had a place to stay. Baby Anzheli stayed at the hospital for about a month, to be under doctors’ supervision. Kristineh says that during that period “with the help of kind people” she was able to visit the baby twice a week and brought her necessary supplies.  

The day after leaving the hospital, on January 27, Kristineh went to “Lighthouse” to get her stuff. “Naira said a few times “your sick baby” as if she was making fun, and said she will keep me for 20 days, I couldn’t help myself and said to her “you are the sick one, if you don’t accept my child I will not stay.” I stayed five minutes, took my clothes and left” – says Kristineh. “Then various journalists wanted to meet me, because they heard about me. But Naira threatened me, saying, “don’t forget, your baby is in the hospital, your husband in jail. You are well aware of what I can do.”   

Kristineh says that when the shelter would receive packages, management would take the best ones. “None of the girls said anything. It is true, they gave us clothes, but for example, when they would receive coats the staff would take them. At least I had a jacket; there were girls that didn’t have anything for winter. The benefactor, Mrs. Seta, is very nice. When she was at the center no one would enter the warehouse, but as soon as she left they were there again.” 

Even after talking with us Kristineh asked not to publish her name, saying that Naira threatened to dishonor her name in her neighborhood. But Kristineh’s husband, Hakob Klechyan, asked us to write about their story regarding Lighthouse. He was upset that Naira threatened Kristineh saying, “Don’t forget your husband is in jail.” 

“Charities are not those who give away half of the money donated. From here I asked different people to help Kristineh and the baby. There were people that helped us,” says Hakob. “Deacon Gevorg Alaverdyan, as well as the surgeon of Babloyan Medical Center, Hrachya Arshakyan, didn’t take a penny.  There is an American charitable organization, he fixed it so our baby can have surgery, I am very grateful to them.” 

Hakob had a phone conversation with Naira when Kristineh was first accepted to Lighthouse.  He says that at that time the director promised to do anything necessary for the baby and Kristineh. 

“One thing is surprising. I dealt with them, so I know everything. A month ago I saw the advertisement of Lighthouse on TV. The guys here, who know almost everything, were also shocked. How such an advertisement is is possible?  As if no one has problems there. Although it is not difficult to do, you just pay for it. She can have whatever connections she wants; she has to be held accountable for what she has done. I told her this as well. The day I am free, that day I am going to expose her. I told her, “You will resign yourself so a normal person can come and work normally,” says Hakob. 

It is forbidden to have a cell phone or use the Internet at the Lighthouse shelter. As for why, Kristineh explains it this way: “so on the outside they don’t find out what is happening inside.” 

After negotiating with Naira, Hakob convinced her to allow Kristineh to use a cell phone so he can speak with her. He says he often spoke with Naira as well and the change in her treatment of us after the baby’s birth surprised him. 

“When the time for hospital came and when Kristineh gave birth, to be honest, there was no one to visit her, I was worried. I asked Kristineh if Naira visited, she said no. After a day I called Naira to see why, because before she presented everything to me in such a different way. 

I asked, “So what is going to happen? What are we going to do?” She said that they are not planning to keep our sick child. She said their service was ending. I told her it is the first time I hear of a charitable organization providing services. Services are provided for money, we did not pay you.” 

Kristineh and Hakob also mentioned that Naira suggested that they discuss the possibility of giving up the baby. “We said aren’t you ashamed? You are a director of a charitable organization that protects mothers and children, how could you say something like that to the baby’s mother? They keep only people, for publicity, whose care doesn’t require a lot of money. As soon as the person has a problem and they may need to spend more money, that person is shunted aside,” says Hakob. 

Anzheli had surgery on May 4, 2012. Kristineh says that it went well. This was confirmed by the head of the Plastic and Microsurgery Department of Arabkir Medical Center Hrachya Arshakyan during our conversation. 

“The lip is a cosmetic issue and not a health problem, meaning the surgery was done to make the lip look nicer. In cases like hers, later on, one more cosmetic surgery will be required to make the lip look completely normal. The second surgery, regarding the cleft, which hasn’t been done yet, is a health issue. The baby will not be able to swallow food in a normal way or speak properly. These types of surgeries usually leave scars, but it depends on the individual case. We can’t clearly know if she will speak well or not. Everything is normal with her. If the baby didn’t have surgery for years that would result in hearing problems, but for now she is fine. There are no other obvious health issues.”  Seven-month-old Anzheli will have the cleft surgery in September. 

What follows is a transcript of Hetq’s phone conversation with Lighthouse Foundation Director Naira Muradyan. 

After having the baby, Kristineh left Lighthouse. What’s the story? Why did she leave? 

- She rejected the baby and we don’t accept anyone without children. Her stuff was left, didn’t take them, her cloths, etc. I, you know what… Forget her story. There are better stories that are more interesting for the people. [They] are making [people] tired of them. Why did she leave? She left because she was slovenly, because… What do you want to know? She was a girl who was visiting jail. What do you want to know? What kind of topic is this? Please, it is shameful, a shame. She left with her baby. Why does this interest you so much? Who is that? Who is that? A useless person of society. Don’t write all this, please. 

- Meaning? What do you mean a useless person? 

- Enough, what do you want? She left because she didn’t take her baby and was saying she can’t take care of her; that she doesn’t want it. Come here I will give you material. Come, I will give material about Kristineh. 

- What kind of material? Say what kind? 

- Since you don’t understand, come I will show you the list of funds. I will show you.  What do you want? 

- I want to know why she left after having the baby? 

- She left because she didn’t want the baby. 

- But she never said she doesn’t want the baby. 

- Go to Arshak (she means Arshak Jerjeryan, the pediatrician of the State Children’s Hospital. - M.M.) Do you hear? I asked them, I begged. I said its New Years, holidays, what will happen; keep her for twenty days at the hospital until she makes a decision. We asked, we begged, twenty days have passed.  She came without the baby, one night she stayed here, do you hear? 

- Kristineh left the baby at the hospital for recovery under doctor’s supervision. 

- No, she could have taken the baby. Arshak was convincing her to take the baby because feeding is easy… At that time she refused and left there. That girl was at the edge of life when we brought her from the church. We told the church to send her to us. She spent three days in the vestry. She had nowhere to stay. Neither the parents nor the clergy recognized her.  And she says husband. Then, when she got pregnant they called a priest and the civil marriage office. They registered the marriage there. Understand? 

- Mrs. Muradyan, after having the baby Kristineh had a conversation with you… 

- You are probably not interested in who she is. What kind of conversation with me do you need? If I take out the Vivaro papers; ha? I gave personal money so she can go here and there. I also had her get a haircut; she didn’t have one for five years. She had lice. What do you want? 

- Did you tell her that the baby is sick and you can’t keep her? Did you say something   like that to Kristineh? 

- We can’t keep her, yes, we can’t, but she was obligated. Arshak told her, come five days and learn how to feed the baby. We don’t say things like that. Don’t you dare try; you will have to deal with me. Don’t dare you try to defame our Lighthouse name. I am really telling the truth. What are you playing at? Kristineh didn’t need her baby, that baby and the Lighthouse. She needed only to free her husband from jail. That’s only what she needed. And that didn’t work. Kristineh knew for seven months that her baby is like that. All the money that we spent on her. How we treated her. She shamelessly came to take her cloths, only the cloths were left. How did we expel her? We called and told her – come take the kid and we gave stuff for the baby. First of all Lighthouse is not obligated to do all that, this is a private organization which doesn’t receive any grants, doesn’t profit from anywhere. 

- But the surgery was free Mrs. Muradyan. What funds, what expenses are we talking about? 

- Funds… She should be silent. What was free? 

- The surgery. 

- The surgery? 

- Yes 

- And how about her pills during the pregnancy? 

- You didn’t accept Kristineh after giving birth. That’s what we are talking about. 

- What do you mean we didn’t accept her? She came, we took her by car. How didn’t we   accept? We took her by car, all her documents were taken. Our driver took her, our pedagogue as well. They stood ten hours, did the papers and then she left. She came here, the stuff was left here. She said, “I will go to my mother’s house.” How didn’t we accept here? We didn’t want, didn’t accept. What kind of things are you saying? Who are you? You come here to find out. Who are you? Tell me. I don’t even want to say your name, aren’t you ashamed? Tell me, do you have a child? Are you married? 

Naira Muradyan’s question went unanswered because they had nothing to do with the topic of our conversation. Later on she called the Hetq office and offered another “interesting topic” for an article. She said that there is a woman in the center who was raped and they would like it very much if   Hetq would publish an article about that woman. We thanked her for the suggestion. She answered that “they are not suggesting they are demanding”. We told her that Hetq doesn’t take orders. She started to convince us that her suggestion is a “really interesting, solid topic.” We had to interrupt the conversation realizing that Naira Muradyan was trying to find ways to distract us from Kristineh’s story. 

The pediatrician of the State Maternity Ward, Arshak Jerjeryan,   the doctor who dealt with Kristineh’s delivery, and with whom Naira Muradyan suggested we get in touch   to learn the true story, refuted the director’s statement that Kristineh rejected the baby. Albeit with difficulty, he remembered the details about Kristineh’s story. The reason why Anzheli stayed at the hospital, according to the doctor, was because “she had to be under doctors’ supervision.” 

 “We were worried whether she could feed the baby at home, or she may catch a cold. She had a relative who assured us that the baby would be taken care of. If I am not mistaken we made her fill out a form assuming   responsibilty for the baby and we let them take the baby home. When a woman is so attached, even to her unhealthy baby, and wants to take it home, she must be supported in any way. We helped with all that we could. 

The doctor says that while Anzheli was in hospital, he personally assumed the role of temporary caretaker. Kristine couldn’t come every day for visits because, according to the doctor, her resources didn’t allow for it. He says that he had a conversation with Naira Muradyan once in the hospital, during which she stated that they were keeping Kristine but “that they couldn’t take the baby.” 

“The baby’s problem will last until she grows up. She may have palate speech, but in our country they do operations and pretty good at that,” says Arshak Jerjeryan. He also says    he explained the same to Naira Muradyan. “I think she definitely wouldn’t take the baby,” says Jerjeryan. 

First photo taken from Lighthouse website.


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Comments (30)
1. Haykuhi19:39 - 10 August, 2012
Arit unecel em zrucelu te Qristinei, tr Naira Muradyani het. Qristinen, vor ayd jamanak der hxi er, mayranal patrastvox yuraqanchyur knoj pes srtatop spasum er poqriki luys ashxarh galun. Karces nra mej tesnelov ir lusavor aravotnery. Nman kiny cher karox erexayic hrajarvel. Bays vor tesel em naev Vivaroyin nra amusnu kutakac partqeri cucaku, vory Qritinen petq e marer, da el e past. Tnoreni aselov, Qristinei amusiny bantic knojn ogtagorcum er, partpery marelu hamar. Xary patmutyun e.
2. Aram19:50 - 10 August, 2012
There should be better monitoring of these charities by the donners if they are to function efficiently and reliably. Unfortunately the malaise by many in charge of people and positions be it in the government, the Church as well as businesses is rudeness to the needy and in general to everyone beneath them. Bravo marine
3. Varoujan08:19 - 11 August, 2012
Obviously there is a lack of professionalism and even of sencere charitable feelings - which Paros Lighthouse promotes as christian values. Their PR in Diaspora and Armenia is misleading given the unpreofessional way they deal with their beneficiaries. The Director should be dismissed given the lies and threats she is circulating not to mention the theft from donations. This is not the first case of complaints we here about Paros Lighthouse. even the Misnistry of Social Affairs is aware of their unprofessional way the center is run. Who is doing the monitoring? Who is overseeing the process. No wonder no international donor organizartion gives them a grant because the grant giver requires serious oversight and auditing.
4. Nelly12:23 - 11 August, 2012
Inchkan haskaca, tnoren Naira Muradyan sepakanashnorhel e laythausn u anum e ir uzac amen ban
5. Վարազ Սյունի (Ամստերդամ)01:18 - 12 August, 2012
Սրա պատճառն այն է,որ Հայաստանում մարդիկ նմանատիպ բարեգործական կազմակերպություններում աշխատում են ոչ թե նրա համար,որ դա իրենց ԿՅԱՆՔԻ ԿՈՉՈՒՄՆ է,այլ պարզապես դասավորվել են աշխատանքի` ուրիշի փողեր ներս կլկլացնելու համար: Դեռ մի բան էլ իրենք են մունաթ գալիս: Ես ուղղակի ՉԵՄ ՎՍՏԱՀՈՒՄ պսպղուն անուններով Հայաստանյան այս «բարեգործական» կազմակերպություններին: Հայաստանցուն ՉԱՓԱԶԱՆՑ ԴԺՎԱՐ է հասկացնել,որ ուրիշի փողեր չեն գողանում:
6. Armine Petrosyan14:19 - 12 August, 2012
Տարիներ առաջ նույն Նաիրա Մուրադյանի պատճառով սկանդալային իրավիճակ ստեղծվեց «Հայ Ձմեռ պապ» բարեգործական հիմնադրամի շահառու մի ընտանիքի հետ կապված. http://haysanta.am/hy/articles/2009-2010/diana Տոնածառի հանդեսի ժամանակ ծանր այրվածքներ ստացած և սոցիալական անելանելի դրության մեջ հայտնված ընտանիքին «Փարոս Լայթհաուսը» մի քանի ամիս դրամական օժանդակություն էր ցուցաբերել: Երբ մենք Դիանայի մասին պատմող նյութը զետեղեցինք կայքում, անմիջապես հետևեց տիկ. Նաիրայի զանգը, ապաև` այցելությունը: Նա դժգոհ էր, որ հոդվածում չի հիշատակվել «Փարոս-Լայթհաուսի» ներդրումը, թեև հոդվածի տակ զետեղված տեսաֆիլմում Դիանայի մայրը երկու անգամ նշում էր բարերար տիկ. Սեդայի անունը: Ներողություն խնդրեցի, և հոդվածի հեղինակ Մարիաննա Գրիգորյանի հետ խորհրդակցելուց հետո «Փարոս-Լայթհաուսի» վերաբերյալ պարբերություն ավելացրեցինք: Բայց տիկ. Նաիրային դա չբավարարեց. ձայնն աստիճանաբար բարձրացնելով` նորանոր պահանջներ առաջ քաշեց, սկսեց վատաբանել երեխայի հորը, որը մինչ այդ օրը դեռ «չէր տեսել իրեն»: Խոսակցության մանրամասներն այնքան ճղճիմ են, որ հարկ չկա անդրադառնալու: Փաստն այն է, որ դրանից հետո «Փարոս Լայթհաուսը» դադարեցրեց ընտանիքին ցուցաբերվող օժանդակությունը, իսկ տիկ. Նաիրան իրեն հատուկ տոնով («Հետքի» լրագրողը լավ որսացել ու ներկայացրել է) զանգահարել ու շշպռել էր Դիանայի մորը` տիկ. Լորետտային: Բարեբախտաբար, Դիանայի մասին հոգացող և բարեգործի դրոշը ճոճելու փոխարեն հետևողական ու նվիրված աշխատող բազմաթիվ մարդիկ գտնվեցին. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F6Ei9V_1wGI (Դիանայի հատվածը` ֆիլմի 1:15 րոպեից): Մեր խորին շնորհակալությունն ենք հայտնում նրանց և ուզում ենք նշել, որ «Հայ Ձմեռ պապի» հաշվետու հաղորդումը պատրասելիս նրանցից շատերը խնդրեցին չհիշատակել իրենց անունները: Բոստոնահայ համայնքի երախտաշատ գործունեության հետևանքով ընտանիքն այժմ նաև քարե մենատուն ունի. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxfM00UsmI8&feature=relmfu (Աթաբեկյանների հատվածը` ֆիլմի 4:56 րոպեից): Անցյալ տարի տիկ. Մուրադյանը վիրավորել ու նվաստացրել է «Հայ Ձմեռ պապի» ևս մեկ շահառուի. http://haysanta.am/hy/articles/2006/l----r Թամար Սանթրոսյանի մասին 2006-ին հրապարակած հոդվածին ի թիվս այլոց արձագանքեց նաև «Փարոս Լայթհաուսը»: Երեք տարի նրանք անուրանալի դրամական օգնություն ցուցաբերեցին Լամպերի գործարանի հանրակացարանում աղջկա հետ ապրող միայնակ մայր, մանկատան շրջանավարտ Թամարին և էլի մի քանի միայնակ մոր: Օգնությունը դադարեցվեց մի իսկական անեկդոտային առիթով: «Հ-1»-ը հաղորդում էր պատրաստել հանրակացարանի անմարդկային պայմանների մասին: Թամարը նույնպես խոսել էր, ցույց տվել զուգարանները և պատմել իրենց կենցաղային դժվարությունների մասին: Հաղորդման հեռարձակումից կես ժամ չանցած` զանգահարել էր տիկ. Նաիրան ու Թամարին հանդիմանել «Լայթհաուսի» մասին չպատմելու և տիկ. Սեդայի անունը չհիշատակելու համար: Թամարը փորձել էր արդարանալ` ասելով, որ իրեն հարց են տվել հանրակացարանի զուգարաններից, ինչին տնօրենը պատասխանել էր` «Միևնույնն է, պիտի ասեիր, տիկ. Սեդան զանգահարեց, շատ նեղացած էր»: Որքանով է Սեդա Ղազարյանը տեղյակ այս ամենից` չեմ կարող ասել: Սոցիալական փակուղու մեջ գտնվող մարդկանց հետ աշխատելու ընթացքում խնդիրներն անխուսափելի են: Բայց դրանք լուծելի են, եթե համբերություն ու հարգանք կա այդ մարդկանց նկատմամբ: «Լայթհաուսի» տնօրենը նվաստացրել է առանց այդ էլ ծանր վիճակում գտնվող կանանց: Գոնե «Հայ Ձմեռ պապի» շահառուների հետ այդպես է եղել:
7. Naira Gevorgyan18:02 - 12 August, 2012
Antireklama toje reklama! nairan vorqn el chuzi u xangari henc inqn e linum patchar@ vor ISKAPES BAREHOGI mardik gtnum en ays miaynak mayrerin u karecaci chapov nranc ognum! CHKA CHARIQ ARANC BARIQ!!!
8. Arminka14:06 - 13 August, 2012
Es zarmanumem nman angragetneri inchpes kareliye etpisi patasxanatu gorc vstahel angam chi karoxanum gexechik graget xosi kardumey harcazruyce yev mtacum vor ayd kine Naira Muradyane shat yev shat petke usumnasiri hoqebanutyun yev inchu Che nayev hayoc lezvi dasentacneri ayceli , inchpes haskaca baregorce Sedane yev karcumem ays hodvacic heto na petka xaytaraka dzevov Heracni Nairain ashxatanqic
9. Maria17:42 - 13 August, 2012
Indz tvum e xndir@ Naira Muradyani mej e, u @ndhanrapes chem haskanum mard vor chi karoxanum erku kokik bar irar kapel inchpes karox e mi voreve himnadram xekavarel, ushadir kardaci nra patasxanner@, ushadir erku angam kardaci aydpes el mi avartvac , graget , kam gone qerakanutyan parz kanonner@ pahpanac naxadasutyun chgta, enpisi tpavorutyun e vor patasxanox@ verjin erku shabatva @ntacqum andadar cayrahex harbac e exel, mer vorerum erku bar irar kapox mardun nuynisk amenacacr vorakavorum pahanjox ashxatanqin chen @ndunum, inchpes e ayd kin@ hasel aydtex ?
10. Ասյա18:18 - 13 August, 2012
Ամոթ ձեզ, ինչպես կարելի է նման կազմակերպության մասին էտպիսի հոդված գրել, անձամբ ցանոթ ունեմ, ով դիմել է իրենց օգնությանը և ստացել է այն ողջ ծավալով, թե ինքը, թե իր բալիկները: Իսկ ինչ վերաբերում է մի երկու առանձին դեպքերին, ապա դրանք էլ իրենս բացատրությունը ունեն: Փնովելու փոխարեն շնորհակալություն հայտնեք այդպիսի կազմակերպություններին և հնարավորության դեպքում օգնեք:
11. Քրիստինե18:38 - 13 August, 2012
Փաստորեն, որ մարդիկ չեն հավատում ճիշտ են անում: Ինչպես կարելի է նման մեծ հոդված գրել միայն հեռախոսազրույցով, առանց փաստերի ճշտման: Ես անձամբ մի լավ ծանոթ աղջկա տվել եմ Լայթհաուսի հեռախոսահամարը, քանի որ նա 5 ամսական հղի, 2 տարեկան դստեր հետ հայտնվել էր փողոցում: Ամուսինը խաղամոլ էր և նրան բռնության էր ենթարկում և ստիպում, որ իր համար գումար հայթայթի: Ես նրա հետ միասին այցելել եմ Լայթհաուսի ապաստարան և ծանոթացել եմ Նաիրա Մուրադյանի հետ: Վսատհեցնում եմ, որ նա ՄԵԾԱՏԱՌՈՎ կին է : Թող Աստված իրեն միշտ պահապան լինի, որ այդքան մայրեր և երեխաներ է փրկում փողոցում հայտնվելուց և սովից մահանալուց: Իմ ընկերուհին 2-րդ երեխային ծննդաբերեց այնտեղ և արդեն 9 ամիս է գտնվում է այդ ապաստարանում: Նա ինձ պատմում է, որ ինչ հարցով և խնդրով էլ, որ դիմում է տնօրենին նա ամենախոհեմ ձևով լուծում է տալիս իր բոլոր խնդիրներին: Նրա դուստրը ի ծնե հիվանդ է, հիվանդությունը չի կրում վարակովի բնույթ, սակայն բավականին լուրջ է: Եվ այդ նույն տնօրենը նամակ-խնդրանքներով դիմում է տարբեր բժշկական կենտրոններ, որպեսզի ոտքի կանգնեցնի փոքրիկին: Ամոթ հետք օնլայն թերթին նման հիմարություններ առանց ճշտելու տպելու համար:
12. Tamar19:50 - 13 August, 2012
Hetqin izur eq amotanq talis, dzez amot vor cheq uzum dzer achker@ bacel, Chi bacarvum nayev vor Nirayi tcanotnern eq ev ir xndranqov eq grum nman baner. Sireliners, hetq@ parzapes tpel e harcazruyc@ bar ar bar, ev tpel e erku koxmeri asacner@, Naira Muradyan@ asum e " Էդ ինչ մի թեմա է, էլի, ամոթ ա էլի, ամոթ ա, ամոթ: Ինքը դուրս ա եկել իր երեխայի հետ: Ի՞նչն է ձեզ էդքան հետաքրքրում, էդ ո՞վ է: Էդ ո՞վ է, հասարակությանը ոչ պիտանի մարդ: Մի գրեք, խնդրում եմ:" Ete duq @ndunum eq vor hasarakakan-baregorcakan kazmakerputyan tnoren@ karox e iren nman artahaytutyun tuyl tal apa duq el nranic vochinchov cheq tarbervum... Naira Muradyan@ petq e ashxatanqic heracvi, Na mek rope angam iravoonq chuni entex mnalu, ev ete Seta Ghazarian@ nran cheracni uremn es teghiq kunenam havatalu vor na teghyak e exel Muradyani santsardakutyunneric ev @ndunel nman verabermunq ir saharuneri nkatmamb. Nairayin hetq@ hnaravorutyun tvec bacatrelu te inchu e Christinen nman verabermunqi arajacel, isk na voroshets teman poxel. Aveli lav kliner neroxutyun xndrer ev porcer poxvel, guce shans tainq... hima arde ush e.... Es pahanjelu em Seta Ghazarianic meknabanutyun ev pashtonakan haytararutyun te irenq inchpes en es harc@ lutselu. Isk hetq-ic anchap shnorhakal em vor ir gorc@ aysqan lav e katarum. Bravo!
13. Zepur01:24 - 14 August, 2012
Yourakanchour badmoutyoun ouni ir kani  me goghmereh yev mi kani megnapanoutyounnereh. Sagayn anhimn pasderov, gam "he said , she said" panpasankayin vojov hotvadz meh  gaykechi me goghmeh ge zarmatzneh zis yev mdazel goudah anor vaveragan ellaleh.  Artiok shenorhagal bedk Cher ellar digin Christinan Lighthouse- himnargen yev anor dnorenotyan vor nevazakouyneh 7 Amisner zink bahetzin makour, yertik ounetzogh hasdadouyyan me mech , zink Geragretzin,  khnametzin, ir pjeshgagan khnamkin hedevetzan, yev ays poloreh vor IR  isg harazad MAYREH, gam amousnouyn MAYREH chrin gam merjetzin enel. Intz mdadzel goudah grgin inchkan  gernah mart araradzeh ABERAKHD Ellal. Gareli e Artiok mdadzen te ays paresiragan hasdadoutyouneh Hotel/Hyouranotz e vor gernan kal ou mnal gam yertal yerp yev vontz vor gouzen? artiok skhL hasgtzadz en NBADAGEH ays hasdadoutyan??  I'm hasgatzoghoutyamps  ays  hasdadoutyouneh  jamanagavor gayk/DOON men eh ayn doujvadzneroun voronk gampoghchatznen baymanereh yev geh hamatzaynin hasdadoutyan ORENK OU GANONIN hedevil ou gesdorakren baymanakir meh. Yev  menk polors al Mer dooneren ners, Aman al ge lvank, lvatzk al genenk yev makroutyoun al genenk Che?.... inchbes hasdadetzink Lighthouseh jamanagavor Doon eh yev vouch teh Hyouranotz. Ouremn??? teyev mi kich sheghvetzi, sagayn ays poloreh partzratzayn mdadzelou pokharen ouzetzi krel.  Isg poon aseliks ayt e, te yes janchtzadz em Lighthouse hasdadoutyan dnoren digin Nayran yergar darinereh iver. An yeghadz e darper hasdadoutyounnerou mech yev ge zarmanam yete nouyn antzi mason e vor ge krek. An mishd yeghadz e oknogh yev srdtzav ourishnerou vijagin. Sagayn vontz vor took ek azoum " love elli" an al mart e. Yev ayt jnshogh oo hartzagoghagan hartzazrouyti jnshoumi dag ov vor al ellar gernar ayt tze ov badaskhaner. Yes chem artaratznoum Digin Nayra Mouradianin badaskhanadz voji masin, sagayn harkeli  digin/Oriort Marine Madatyann al hsdag e, vor  hadoug HEDIN  nbadagnerov varadz e ir hartzazrouytzeh yev ARTZANAKRADZ gergin hadoug nbadagneroo hamar. Yev Asdvadz kiddeh voronk en ayt nbadagnereh yev voroo bidi dzarayeh.  Vsdahapar  VOCH ander, anotevan, yev LKVADZ gineroo gam mayreroun voronk ge vayelen Lighthousi PARIKNEREH.
14. Lusine12:05 - 14 August, 2012
Zarmanumem vorqan karox e mard@ “utox-uracox” lini vor orinak Qristinan ev Nellin en…….. Nranq maximum pokecin himnadramic isk erb heracan sksecin amen kerp gcel himnadrami anun@ ev irenq irenc reklam anel - ays u ayn koxmic inch vor ban haytaytelu hamar, poxaren irenc ujerov porcen votqi kangnel u inch vor bani hasnel kyanqum. Es canotem te tnorenin, te shaharunerin bayc voch mekin harazat kam barekam chem… Enpisi tpavorutyune ases bolorn @nkel en Nairayi hetevic…. Parze vor bolor depqerum Nairayi anun@ shoshapvume, che vor tnoren@ mekne, isk axcjikner@ galis ev gnum en – mek@ - goh u shnorhakal, mek@ - anshnorhakal, agah ankushti pes djgoh. Verjinners el bnakanabar chen karox lav mardik linel u nrancic el henc nman anhetet patmutyunner. Ete aydqan hetaqrqrvac eq ays patmutyunnerov porceq parzel manramasner@ ev te ov – ove, apa nor karciq kazmel u artahaytel.
15. Tamar23:22 - 14 August, 2012
1. Poxeq dzer mtacelakerp@ - ete Qristinen ev Nelly-n Lighthouse-ic ognutyun en stacel, da chi nshanakum vor petq e chxosen Naira Muradyani-i viravoranqneri ev ahabekchutyan masin. "Utox-uracox" anunic xusapelov e vor shat-shat mardik lrum en, mtacelov vor amot e, verj i verjo ognel en irenc, et mi erku bani vra el achkners pakum en, u dra hamar Naira Muradyani nman mardik kan ev shatanum en. 2. Mi moraceq vor sa Qrisinei boxoq@ chi, Qristinen estex voch mi sah chuni, sa hasarakutyann boxon e Naira Muradyani dem. Es andzamb boxoqum em a. Naira Muradyan@ shrtunqi xndir unecox erexayin anvanel e hivand. Chi @ndunel et lighthouse karcelov vor erexan hivand/hashmandam e (Nairan miak@ che mer hasarakutyan het vor nman dzevov e verabervum fizikakan xndirner unecox erexanerin) Es uzum em vor hayastanum mardik aydpes chmtacen, aravel evs erb nranq ashxatum en baregorcakan himnadramnerum... b. Ev andzamb ev hetq-i henc es hodvacum Nairan andznakan veravoranqner e hascrel lighthouse-um bnakvox kananc. Sa annereli e. c. lighthouse@ hyuranoc che, ev kanayq maqrel en irenc senyakner@ ev lvacel pnakner@ irenc jashits heto. Nairan hramayel e hxi Christinein ev myus kananc maqrel zugaran@ ev lvanal pnakner@ ashxatakazmi uteluc heto... Sa annereli e Verj i verjo baregorcutyun@ kazmakerputyan kochumn e, voch voq chi stipum irenc ayd baregorcutyamb zbaxvel, bayc ete handzn en arel ays gorc@ tox lav imanan vor hasarakutyun@ hetevum e, ev vorpes ays hasarakutyan andam da boloris partakannutyunn e hetevel nman kazmakerputyunneri ashxatanqin. Naira-i namnner@ karcum en vor mi lav ban en anum, uremn irenq artonyal en ev irenc amen ban nereli e, et ognutyun ekatc shoreric el vor mi qani hat vercnen ashxarh@ pul chi ga, bayc krknum em, henc ays mtacelakerpn e vor chariq e tsnum...
16. Lusine17:58 - 15 August, 2012
Tox Naira Muradyani “viravoranqneri ev ahabekchutyan zoher@” gone irenq irenc mech xostovanen te na inchqan e nranc ognel u che bar@ nranic durs chi ekel. Inchpes sovorabare linum hazar ‘ayo’-ic heto mi angam hnchecrac ‘che’-n e hishvum. Konkret ays depq@ voch te hasarakutyan boxoqne ayl mi sharq tuyl mardkanc voronq iravichakic ogtvel giten. Nkateci artahaytvoxenri mech naev mi “chstacvac rejisori” ov exel e himnadrami shaharuneric ev inqnel ir hertin pokele himnadramic inch karoxacele, ev hima, taqcnelov vor inqnel aprel ev ogtvele himnadramic u handisanum e ayntexi liirav shaharu, enpisi dzev e brnel ases surb lini u mi ban el iren tuyl e talis qnnadatel urishin……Nra nmannern el an@ndhat vogevorum en Qristinayi nmannerin u irenc xosq@ nranc mijocov lseli en darcnum. Nairan et chi @ndunel Qristinayi erexayin qani vor himnadram@ chi unecel hamapatasxan paymanner erexayin xnamelu hamar, che vor ayd erexan aveli mec xnamqi kariq uner – arajnahert hamarelov tekuz erexayi snvel@, vor petq e anpayman uxekcver hatuk harmarutyunnerov. Da shat mec patasxanatvutyan u riski harcer namanavand vor erexayi mayr@ inq@ cher karoxanum koxmnoroshvel uzum e vor erexan ir het mna te voch? Isk erbvanic e ‘hivand’ bar@ darcel aydqan xor@ viravoranq vor aydpes karchel eq ayd baric. @ndhanrapes mi porceq aydqan vstah xosel mi bani masin inchin vor inqnerd nerka cheq exel u lselov miayn mi koxmin sxal e ezrakacutyun anel@.
17. Tg18:43 - 15 August, 2012
It is unfair to judge without having all of the facts. There are 3 sides to every story. Christine benefitted from Paros' services for months. She was fed, cared for, taught, loved and assisted in many ways. To leave and then complain is unfair and ungrateful. Every "hasdadutune" has it's rules and guidelines. I'm sure she was aware and in agreement of all of them before she entered the shelter.
18. Tamar20:32 - 15 August, 2012
Dear Tg, again, like many others who commented here you are also missing the point. Rules of the place have nothing to do with mistreatment of beneficiaries, calling names, making a pregnant woman cry by calling her unborn child "sick" just because they learned that the baby will be born with cleft palate. Don't you see from the previous posts that this woman stopped giving money to families only because in an interview they did not mention about the help they received from lighthouse and Seta Ghazarian? When you truly want to help people you do not wait for a thank you or rewards in return. More investigation needs to be done regarding this and people must watch closely and monitor this organization's work in Armenia. Where are Naira Muradyan and Seta Ghazarian, Why we haven't seen any public, official announcement from this organization yet? Should I take their silence as a sign of agreement?
19. Tigran 21:38 - 15 August, 2012
«Բայց աղջիկներից ոչ ոք ձայն չէր հանում: Ճիշտ է, մեզ շորեր տալիս էին, բայց, օրինակ, որ մուշտակներ էին ստանում, իրենք էին վերցնում: Ես գոնե իմ վերարկուն ունեի, բայց աղջիկներ կային, որ չունեին ձմեռվա համար ոչ մի բան: Բարերարը` տիկին Սեդան, շատ լավն է, երբ ինքը գալիս էր կենտրոն, ոչ ոք չէր մտնում պահեստները, հենց գնում էր, նրանք նորից էնտեղ էին»...Pastoren... shat-shat cavali e, ayd tikin Sedan misht Hayastan piti ga, vor sranc hski?((
20. Vni11:49 - 16 August, 2012
Bolor nranc ovker pashtpanum en kazmakerputyane !!! Sireliners, nman baregorcakan kazmakerputyunnere iravunk chunen sxal gorcelu. Mi sxale arden mekov shat e. Mi ardaracrek Naira Muradyanin u goverkek. Da, achkakaputyunn e kandum mer hasarakutyune.
21. info19:53 - 18 August, 2012
The Paros Foundation, a 501(c)3 private foundation registered in 2006 in Berkeley, California is not affiliated with the Ghazarian family's Paros "Lighthouse" Armenian Charitable Foundation USA (registered 2009 in Seal Beach, California) or the Paros "Lighthouse" Foundation in Armenia and their center for abused women.
22. Tamar02:30 - 20 August, 2012
OK, dear info. So how would you Explain Seta Ghazarian's involvement with "Lighthouse" Foundation in Armenia? And how will you explain this article? http://hetq.am/eng/news/12500/paros-foundation-raises-$25000-for-domestic-violence-victims-in-armenia.html
23. Tamar 02:57 - 20 August, 2012
OK, never mind, please disregard my previous post. Yes, The Paros Foundation and the Paros "Lighthouse" Armenian Charitable Foundation are two different organizations. Wish Ghazarians were more creative and gave a different name to their foundation.
24. info21:56 - 20 August, 2012
Dear Tamar, no problems. I also wish that the Ghazarians would change their name to help avoid confusion. They are good people who need to better manage their Charitable activities.
25. mahmouzian12:17 - 23 August, 2012
Edick.first your marina madatian should have taken the time for her investigation not over the phone ,Naira is a dedicated person .and respect every one and give her best for thoses women. now about critine ....she is a bird.i live in that building with thoses 2 first women.the only thing they know is to complain and look tv. they say char charank.all day if armenia had 10 women like Setta and her familly yes all her family. today all thoses abused women will have a safe place to live,i am willing to tell you much more any time. mihran
26. mahmouzian20:29 - 24 August, 2012
cristine for your charcharank the baby is a biauty mihran
27. Vartuhi15:38 - 25 August, 2012
Dear Marine Madatyan, Dear Tamar Gasparian (who published this story in Armenian Reporter), you both must admit this is a very one-sided story you presented to us readers. Kristineh Gevorgyan, according to your article Krinsitineh's husband is in jail, she has been rejected by her husbands parents and even her own mother, but the reasons are not mentioned with one word. Sounds like a social drama to me, but Hetq doesn't give us any information about this drama, rather concentrates on letting out anger about the Foundation Director as if the author of this article wants some kind of revench or maybe sensation. You write about Nelly who was always complained that the conditions are not good, again without any explanations or details. When Kristineh states "We were handled like beggars", do we have to believe her blindly just because we read it on Hetq? Is noone doubting that Kristineh could be a liar, or maybe someone with a personality disorder? About washing dishes or cleaning the floors, aren't these simple things which they wouldn't do at their own homes too? Or did they expect the lighthouse to be a 3-star hotel with maids cleaning after them? Next, i find it extremely crazy when Hakob, her husband who is in jail for we don't know what reasons for, threatens the Lighthouse Director and has the courage to say “You will resign yourself so a normal person can come and work normally,”. A normal father should not be in jail to start with, and it is more than interesting to know why Hakob does not threaten his own parents instead for throwing his wife, mother of his child, and grandchild of his parents out on the street. Paradox. That that Naira suggested that the couple should discuss the possibility of giving up the baby under these horrible life conditions is very normal in my oppinion. Did i get it right that Kristineh complained to not having had money to visit her baby in the hospital but wants to use a mobile and internet at the "Hotel Lighthouse"? Honestly, i don't buy a word that Kristineh or her husband tell. I can understand the anger of the Director Naira, Hetq reporter should have visited her and talk to her instead of over the phone to find out the real reasons and also confront her with the Doctors words.
28. mahmouzian08:24 - 26 August, 2012
the reporter marina made a big boubou Edick fire her.another charcharank reporter .why dont you investigat thoses big guy doing the real harm all thoses guys in government.thoses are the one your reporter should go after .and nail them. mihran
29. Tamar Gasparian23:24 - 26 August, 2012
Dear Vartuhi, please see my answers in the pretenses for every single point or question you raised. Your comment is copied as is Dear Marine Madatyan, Dear Tamar Gasparian (who published this story in Armenian Reporter), you both must admit this is a very one-sided story you presented to us readers. (T.G. It is not one sided at all, besides, the organization is given the opportunity to present their side, but it seems like they are avoiding it). Kristineh Gevorgyan, according to your article Krinsitineh's husband is in jail, she has been rejected by her husbands parents and even her own mother, but the reasons are not mentioned with one word. (T.G. Kristineh is rejected by both her own and husband’s parents because she lives in a conservative society where people (her parents) think she should live with the husband’s family otherwise it brings shame to them to have a daughter with a baby living with them, what will the neighbors think? And poor people (husband’s family) who can’t afford to take care of Kristineh and her baby and don’t want to take responsibility). Sounds like a social drama to me, but Hetq doesn't give us any information about this drama, (T.G. The point of the article is not to show the readers the social drama in Kristineh’s family. Obviously she is from a broken family otherwise she would not need a shelter and would not go to Lighthouse. What is your point? People from broken homes and families with social drama don’t deserve help?) rather concentrates on letting out anger about the Foundation Director as if the author of this article wants some kind of revench or maybe sensation. (T.G. The author presented the conversation with Mrs. Muradyan word by word. The journalist asked simple questions, Muradyan was given an opportunity to explain everything and come clear out of the mess she created on the first place, instead you see how she responds and even dares to call Kristineh “person useless for society” by digging even a deeper hole for herself). You write about Nelly who was always complained that the conditions are not good, again without any explanations or details. (T.G. Another beneficiary who refuses to speak publicly, because she is afraid of Naira, told me that Nelly was upset because the refrigerator door at the shelter was locked and if her baby asked for food at nights she wasn’t allowed to take any, because the dinner hour was over, but the baby would cry old night.) When Kristineh states "We were handled like beggars", do we have to believe her blindly just because we read it on Hetq? (T.G. No we don’t have to believe her, that is why we need to investigate more and see how exactly people are being treated there, however, the point of the article is, that Kristineh was not accepted back to the shelter after her baby was born with a cleft palate, why??? Why has Muradyan called this baby a sick baby? Does she understand what a cleft is?) Is noone doubting that Kristineh could be a liar, or maybe someone with a personality disorder? (T.G. No I can assure you that she doesn’t have a personality disorder, but that she had a very difficult pregnancy and must have been depressed and sad due to all the things she has been through with her family, that’s for sure. And it was Lighthouse’s job to help her go through the difficult times; instead they kicked her out after the baby was born with a birth defect). About washing dishes or cleaning the floors, aren't these simple things which they wouldn't do at their own homes too? Or did they expect the lighthouse to be a 3-star hotel with maids cleaning after them? (T.G. These are simple things, the girls have always cleaned after they ate and they cleaned their rooms as well. Now tell me this, is it normal for a director and staff to eat and order Kristineh and others to clean? Or make an eight months old pregnant woman wash the floor on her knees while they have a cleaning lady and that person is being paid by the donations that this organization is receiving?) Next, i find it extremely crazy when Hakob, her husband who is in jail for we don't know what reasons for, threatens the Lighthouse Director and has the courage to say “You will resign yourself so a normal person can come and work normally,”. (T.G. Now again, it wasn’t Hetq’s goal to understand why Hakob is in jail (sorry you didn’t get this), but I say they same, I will do everything and anything to make sure that organizations like this are run by honest and educated people). A normal father should not be in jail to start with, and it is more than interesting to know why Hakob does not threaten his own parents instead for throwing his wife, mother of his child, and grandchild of his parents out on the street. (T.G. Well I see your mentality from this comment, obviously I am not even going to bother and explain anything to you here. But you are wrong, one can be a normal father and still be in jail or become a father in jail, no one gives you the right to judge his parenting skills based on the fact that he is in jail. I am sad for you.) Paradox. That that Naira suggested that the couple should discuss the possibility of giving up the baby under these horrible life conditions is very normal in my opinion. (T.G. Based on your previous comment I am not even surprised that you would agree with Naira here, but let me tell you something, unless the baby’s life and health is in danger, there is no reason to separate a mother and a child. Again, Naira tried to avoid responsibility, it was their job to take care of the baby, but they didn’t want to. Kristineh loves her baby and gives the best she can. Conditions are horrible in many places in Armenia, are you suggesting all mothers to take their children to orphanages? Do you even know the conditions of orphanages in Armenia?) Did i get it right that Kristineh complained to not having had money to visit her baby in the hospital but wants to use a mobile and internet at the "Hotel Lighthouse"? (T.G. No you didn’t get that part right, read again). Honestly, i don't buy a word that Kristineh or her husband tell. I can understand the anger of the Director Naira, Hetq reporter should have visited her and talk to her instead of over the phone to find out the real reasons and also confront her with the Doctors words. (T.G. Naira has no right to get angry, unless she is hiding something and got really nervous. It is perfectly normal for a journalist to call and ask this questions over the phone, she could refuse to answer, but she didn’t, instead she went on and revealed her real self).
30. Marine Madatyan10:37 - 27 August, 2012
Varduhi and others who think this story is one-sided. The aim of this article was to reveal WHY KRISTINE LEFT THE SHELTER, the answer I get from Naira Muradyan WAS A LIE, no matter it's a phone-interview or face to face meet. Anyway thanks for your response
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